Minnesota Waterfowl Hunting

Their success.

h2ofwlr wrote:Totally inaccurate farm on the Pheasant stamp. Where is the 2 story McMansion?

Awesome.

Corporate welfare via subsidies and under cost crop ins. All of us taxpayers are paying the farmers VS free market, let them stand on their own like other businesses. It really irked me when they were getting record crop prices a few years ago AND receiving Govt $ support. The romanticized old farm steads of Redlin, the above artist, etc is what it used to be like 40 - 70 years ag when the average was 120-240 acre farm. Now it is 10 times that acerage and they are BIG businesses - ($1M+ in gross income.)

h2ofwlr wrote:Now it is 10 times that acerage and they are BIG businesses - ($1M+ in gross income.)

And $950,000 in seed, fertilizer, chemical, rent, equipment expenses. Stop complaining.

h2ofwlr wrote:Corporate welfare via subsidies and under cost crop ins. All of us taxpayers are paying the farmers VS free market, let them stand on their own like other businesses. It really irked me when they were getting record crop prices a few years ago AND receiving Govt $ support. The romanticized old farm steads of Redlin, the above artist, etc is what it used to be like 40 - 70 years ag when the average was 120-240 acre farm. Now it is 10 times that acerage and they are BIG businesses - ($1M+ in gross income.)

What do you think of the Bonanza farms from 70-100+ years ago? Those farms were as big as they are today. With organic farms we're going back to the small farm mentality. They all still treat the land like shyte, but atleast they're smaller right?

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h2ofwlr wrote:Now it is 10 times that acerage and they are BIG businesses - ($1M+ in gross income.)

And $950,000 in seed, fertilizer, chemical, rent, equipment expenses.

And you think other businesses do not have expenses too? And most do not get corporate welfare. So why are farmers getting it?

FYI, I am ALSO very against TIF for developement. It's just another form of corporate welfare.

Look at GE a few years back, $5B in net income and they paid no tax AND they got $2B in a refund via tax loop holes. Nothing but corporate welfare.

So I am not against the farmer so to speak - but against the principle of corporate welfare no matter who is the beneficiary.

Trigger wrote: With organic farms we're going back to the small farm mentality. They all still treat the land like shyte, but atleast they're smaller right?

So the use of no pesticiedes and herbicides is treating the land the same (like shyte as you allege) as non organic farms?

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Talking to yourself again?

I bet h2ofwlr has taken advantage of plenty of government money.

Fish Felon wrote:I bet h2ofwlr has taken advantage of plenty of government money.

I'd be willing to bet the same thing! He should change his signature to

"Sent to you from my obamaphone via obamanet. Thank you working men and women."