Hypothetical Legal Question

[h2ofwlr]

^^^ Ding, ding, ding. And with an accurately honest knock out in the 8th round - Lanyard is the winner!!!

[Bullet21XD]

Fouler, it's no secret it's all the same core group of bluehairs. Are and always have been a bunch of socialist ethics-pushers. Anyone that's been on the internet for more than a month knows who they are.

[Fish Felon]

When you figure out that the MWA doesn't have the political clout to shut down a teal season as an organization you'll be the first step closer.

We'll agree to disagree.

If the MWA had been in support of a teal season it would have happened. I have no doubt about it. The DNR's position and attitude was reactionary to that of theirs the whole way through.

When I say MWA I'm essentially talking about the MWA and the different factions that attend their symposium. The Wood Duck Society, Concerned Duck Hunters, etc. These are Landwehr's homeboys dating back to his days with the Nature Conservancy. Landwehr is one of them and has formed his ideology through interacting with them. If the 100 duck hunters at that symposium hadn't reacted to a teal season like the people holding Cecil the Lion signs marching outside a dentist's office...we'd have a teal season.

[h2ofwlr]

If the MWA had been in support of a teal season it would have happened. I have no doubt about it.

I see that you are not just manic, but delusional too.



IMHO, about the only thing that would have mattered is if the survey questions came back 75% in favor of it.

[Fish Felon]

If the MWA had been in support of a teal season it would have happened. I have no doubt about it.

I see that you are not just manic, but delusional too.

Speaking of delusional, we're still waiting for you to inform us how the MWA had any part at all in the Swan Lake draw down and Restoration of Lake Christina.

All you've mentioned is 'various projects at Swan Lake WMA over the years' which has nothing to do with the draw down and how they might have pitched in a few bucks for someone else's biologist who was studying Lake Christina no less than 13 years ago which certainly comes nowhere near justifying their claim to 'the Restoration of Lake Christina.'

[gimpfinger]

Mndha can get laws they want, nwtf can get laws they want, pf can get laws they want...but not the mwa?

Team Power Dump

[h2ofwlr]

Lets be clear, If DU members had said to the DNR we want a Teal season, things may have turned out different. What is DUs membership in MN? 35K? MWA is 1/10th that. MWA just does not have the membership numbers to have enough pull to matter when compared to PF , DU, etc...

Gee, so why didn't DU come out and say "our members want an early teal season"? Well? Where is the out cry at them? ooops thats right - FF wants to make the MWA the boogeyman of the root of all that is evil to waterfowl hunters, but in reality he has a personal grudge against me, so If I was helping DU, he'd be bashing them, if I was helping NWTF, he'd bash them. If I helped the NC, he'd bash them, yes it really is that simple, this all is about his personal grudge. What a farce!
What's more the MWA never told the DNR not to have a Teal season. And how the hell do you prove what was not said, was not said? And yet the MWA is being made out to be the bad guy? And the 1 org that likely could have applied enough pressure said nothing. (Palm to head).

So here is the real story - Does the MWA help where they can, yes they do. They have been doing over $1M a yr in CPL grants the last few years for example. PF has been doing millions a yr in habitat, and DU close to $10M a yr. Then factor in the many local sportsman clubs too They ALL help add to the total to restore, purchase, protect existing habitat, etc.. Combined It is a WIN-WIn for us hunters and conservationists.

[Fish Felon]

Gee, so why didn't DU come out and say "our members want an early teal season"?

Because it's not their phucking job to do that!!!

DU is too busy actually doing habitat work for one, and two they realize it's not their place to politic for different hunting seasons and regulations. They're smart...they get it.

How have you not understood my argument this entire time is that no individuals or groups should be lobbying the DNR to influence these decisions. Politics and public input should have nothing to do with the process.

How can you not realize by advocating in favor of these decisions being reached this way will be the end of hunting. In the very near future the vast majority of the public will be anti-hunting. If we allow and promote seasons being set using a democratic process, like taking the popular opinion on a survey, it's only a matter of time before the anti's take over that process. That wasn't a "survey," the DNR should have just called it what it was, a "ballot."

I'm much more upset about how the decision was reached than I am about not having a teal season.

If we want hunting seasons for future generations our only hope is if wildlife agencies set seasons in one way and one way only...

Using a science based wildlife management approach not allowed to be influenced by public input.

[h2ofwlr]

See. I say black FF says white. I say white FF says black. No matter what I would have said he will disagree. What a troll!

[Quack]

DU has never weighed in on a hunting topic in over 75 years. Your suggestion that DU, at any level, should say a peep about MN regs is silly.

MWA was formed primarily to sway the legislature to pass game lake designation. Then they went for a state duck stamp, then feeding & resting areas. They are a politically inclined group.