Brave and Noble Savages Rip Up the DNR Permit

[Fish Felon]

There is a lot more than ricing at stake here. I hope the state doesn't handle this like a bunch of pussies.

There's only one way to handle it, let it play out in court.

At the risk of sounding ignorant, what is actually at stake?

Like you said the Indians were out to revolt and had never riced either. Say they get what they want, what are the real implications?

As a kid we used to see lots of native duck hunterst where we hunted. I haven't seen one in probably 15 years and I'm pretty sure they're allowed to shoot like 20 ducks a day 2 weeks before our opener even.

How many will actually exercise their rights?

[get-n-birdy]

Will be interesting to see what a couple centuries of massive, rampant alcoholism and fetal alcohol syndrome will do to an ever shrinking and way to close genetic gene puddle?

[get-n-birdy]

Go redskins!

[Nershi]

There is a lot more than ricing at stake here. I hope the state doesn't handle this like a bunch of pussies.

There's only one way to handle it, let it play out in court.

At the risk of sounding ignorant, what is actually at stake?

Like you said the Indians were out to revolt and had never riced either. Say they get what they want, what are the real implications?

As a kid we used to see lots of native duck hunterst where we hunted. I haven't seen one in probably 15 years and I'm pretty sure they're allowed to shoot like 20 ducks a day 2 weeks before our opener even.

How many will actually exercise their rights?

Indians duck hunted a lot on the reservation I grew up by. They got a teal season.

I'm not to concerned with duck hunting tho. Spearing and netting would do a number on small lakes. It doesn't take many of them to destroy a small lake.

[maplelakeduckslayer]

Thing is all of these rights were intended to provide them means to earn income and protect that income stream. Meaning harvesting wild rice, game, and fish for sale, as well as private use.

With hundreds of millions coming in through casinos, they don't really need the natural resource income stream any more...it is minuscule compared to their gambling proceeds.

This is all just for show and to create controversy...natural resources are not important to their economies anymore.

[Bustin Lips]

Phuck Indians and the Escalades they drive!

[Fish Felon]

Thing is all of these rights were intended to provide them means to earn income and protect that income stream. Meaning harvesting wild rice, game, and fish for sale, as well as private use.

With hundreds of millions coming in through casinos, they don't really need the natural resource income stream any more...it is minuscule compared to their gambling proceeds.

This is all just for show and to create controversy...natural resources are not important to their economies anymore.

I'd disagree with a lot of that. The right to hunt, fish and gather were included in the treaty not so they could make an income but so they could sustain themselves...in part due to this benefiting the government because they didn't have to provide them anything.

Although a lot of tribes have greatly benefited economically from casinos a lot haven't. The ML band of Ojibwe is just 1 of 8 bands allowed to net the lake and they're the only one with a casino I think...and most of their rez is still a shytehole. White Earth is a shytehole despite having a small dumpy casino in Mahnomen. Red Lake is beyond a shytehole to the point where there's no way I'd ever drive across it a night despite being able to sell walleyes.

Just because I think they should be given whatever rights they have in this treaty that the courts uphold, it doesn't mean I'm an Indian sympathetizer.

Get fired up like they do if it pizzes you off. Contact your reps in support of state owned casinos, it's complete BS we don't have them and have given the Natives a monopoly on gambling in MN. Maybe there's a legal loophole to deny them welfare and EBT if this is upheld since their "nation" now has the means to support themselves free of the gubment...I dunno....look for angle.

Because they will get whatever rights they think they have. The DNR doing whatever they could to not write them a ticket so they could bring this to court is a pretty good indicator they got this.

[maplelakeduckslayer]

Part of sustaining themselves in my eyes is making an income. If it was just to feed themselves couldn't they do that with hook and line? Just my take on it. I did include the private use in my post, because I know providing for elders in the tribe, etc is part of their culture.

The whole thing that bothers me is either they are an independent nation, or they aren't. Theres no picking which things they want because it benefits them(state roads, power lines, etc), and then striking down everything they don't agree with. They don't get to pick and choose. If they are an independent nation, lets strip all assistance. If they want state and federal assistance, then they are no longer independent and need to conform to our laws and regulations. Its really quite simple to me.

[Stute Slap]

Thing is all of these rights were intended to provide them means to earn income and protect that income stream. Meaning harvesting wild rice, game, and fish for sale, as well as private use.

With hundreds of millions coming in through casinos, they don't really need the natural resource income stream any more...it is minuscule compared to their gambling proceeds.

This is all just for show and to create controversy...natural resources are not important to their economies anymore.

I'd disagree with a lot of that. The right to hunt, fish and gather were included in the treaty not so they could make an income but so they could sustain themselves...in part due to this benefiting the government because they didn't have to provide them anything.

Although a lot of tribes have greatly benefited economically from casinos a lot haven't. The ML band of Ojibwe is just 1 of 8 bands allowed to net the lake and they're the only one with a casino I think...and most of their rez is still a shytehole. White Earth is a shytehole despite having a small dumpy casino in Mahnomen. Red Lake is beyond a shytehole to the point where there's no way I'd ever drive across it a night despite being able to sell walleyes.

Just because I think they should be given whatever rights they have in this treaty that the courts uphold, it doesn't mean I'm an Indian sympathetizer.

Get fired up like they do if it pizzes you off. Contact your reps in support of state owned casinos, it's complete BS we don't have them and have given the Natives a monopoly on gambling in MN. Maybe there's a legal loophole to deny them welfare and EBT if this is upheld since their "nation" now has the means to support themselves free of the gubment...I dunno....look for angle.

Because they will get whatever rights they think they have. The DNR doing whatever they could to not write them a ticket so they could bring this to court is a pretty good indicator they got this.

The only good indian was Chavez y Chavez.

[Fish Felon]

Part of sustaining themselves in my eyes is making an income. If it was just to feed themselves couldn't they do that with hook and line?

You're failing to take into context when the treaty was signed. It was 1855. The state was frontier. Why would they need an income to sustain themselves? Who were they going to sell the things they could harvest to in order to create an income?

At least the US Government was clever enough to get out of having to provide rations of beef and other foods and goods to them like they did in treaties signed by other tribes.

"We got a great deal for you, we won't shoot you for eating whatever crap you can round up that's edible in this uninhabited swampy hell hole. Sign here...

Oh boy looky there, you were able to knock the tops off some crap growing in the middle of a shallow cesspool smelling lake. I'm so jealous I'll be thinking about that while eating a big cornfed steak when I get home.

I just really hope that in 150 years from now this decision doesn't somehow end up being fortuitous for you injuns in ways we never could have imagined."


Look, I get where your sentiment is coming from but why let this bug you? Just remember, we not only won...we dominated them. If you could wake up and trade places with them tomorrow would you? If this trivial crap upsets you there is no one to blame besides our forefathers for not completing genocide so they wouldn't be here to bitch. As long as all the countless subsequent land deals we got them to sign off on that they couldn't read aren't disputed than I could care less about them ricing or netting a lake out of walleyes...I'd just got to a different lake.

It baffles me how much this stuff bugs people.