Of the 17 people there that weekend 10 ended up getting covid, 7 adults and 3 kids. Of the 7 adults 3 were vaccinated. All of them got sick to varying degrees, although none of them had severe symptoms.
So 2 out of the 5 vaccinated people didn't catch it, but there were 3 other adults who weren't vaccinated who also didn't catch it.
My own personal experience with it didn't suggest the vaccine doing anything other than possibly reducing the severity of the symptoms. There were others who caught it then weren't vaccinated that had symptoms about the same as the vaccinated people did, but none of the vaccinated people showed more severe symptoms that were experienced by my dad, brother, and myself.
I'm skeptical enough about everything covid related to put more stock into my own anecdotal evidence than I probably should....but then again, at least I know it's not bullshit.
When 70% of the people in the state have been given a vaccine with an efficacy rate....94% for Pfizer and 95% for Moderna, supposedly, and although J&J is slightly less....
There's no way that the efficacy rates can be accurate based off the amount of cases/hospitalizations/deaths. Even with the efficacy sunsetting at six months, and Delta being 50% more contagious, seasonality to it being a factor, and whatever else can be thrown in as an explanation for why nothing has changed.
Despite the vaccine, efforts to social distance more, and a lot of people still wearing masks all the time everywhere....there's still a large and very prominent curve representing covid cases with two curves mirroring it for hospitalizations and deaths as if nothing has changed.
I tend to lean towards the explanation for why nothing has changed as being, "nothing has changed."
That explanation makes more sense to me and has a higher likelihood than the explanation of, "There was a drastic reduction in the rate at which covid spread, and drastic reductions to the rate of people getting covid who end up in the hospital or dead.....but then Delta hit at the same time and offset those gains as the vaccination rate rose, and then the vaccine wore off right when "covid season" hit, the spike that is apparently going to be a seasonal thing from here on out now. Anyways, long story short.....a ton of progress was made this past year.....major, major progress....which is why if you think nothing has changed what you don't realize is how Bad it would've been without all the awesome progress. Those curves would be three times as high as they are if not for all the amazing progress.....that coincidentally appears as nothing. Kind of a big coincidence that looking at the curves they're all still the same despite all the monumental changes, but everything coincidentally penciled out to zero."
I'll have to look for these "breakthrough" figures. I'm assuming they're from the MDH like everything else....will have to find them without buying a STrib. Already I'm thinking a breakthrough rate of 5% has to be BS, if for no other reason than the STrib is choosing to report it. I dunno....seems like an awfully high amount of cases to be occurring within the 30% of Minnesotans who aren't vaxxed.
Like I said, I've heard from two nurses that roughly about half the people in each of their respective hospitals for covid were vaccinated. One of them I know and can trust, the other one I'd just met, but due to the nature of the conversation and how she volunteered that info without being pushed for it, as well as having nothing to gain from spreading misinformation......it doesn't seem far-fetched at all considering there has been little to no figures reported on how many people hospitalized are vaccinated. With how biased our media is and the efforts made to censor anything that calls the vaccine into question.......
We all know the number isn't zero when it comes to vaccinated people catching covid, being hospitalized, or dying from it. I guarantee you that there are vaccinated people in the hospital right now. There might not be that many, there might be a lot....like half the people in there. That figure not being routinely reported with covid numbers despite how extremely important it is makes me give more weight to the couple reports I've heard.
The figures representing how many vaccinated people are catching covid, being hospitalized, and dying are extremely important. If those figures are in fact extremely low, then routinely reporting them is the most effective way to get more people to get vaccinated. If the figures are a tiny fraction of the overall figures? Why in the hell wouldn't you want them reported nightly along with the overall figures if you're the people at MDH?
On the flip side, if the figures are high....a large percentage of the overall figures are people who were vaccinated?
That's even more important to report because people who think they're at little to no risk of getting it and experiencing severe sickness.....and that's not really true.....then they need to know so they can choose to eat out less, spend less time indoors at the gym, maybe work from home more instead of going to the office, and flying to a warm tourist destination this winter might be something they rethink.
The fact that the efficacy rate still being reported for the vaccines was from clinical trials instead of real numbers is bullshit. Where are the boots on the ground this is what happened when the shit hit the real world numbers?
Again, seems odd that hasn't been a piece of news at any point in the past year....and I watch enough to where I would've seen it...but maybe not....the type of stuff that catches my ear though.
And as far as....
To say people should just worry about their own health could certainly be considered as disingenuous when anti-vaxxers (which are still the overwhelming majority of patients in most locales) come to the hospital to get treatment from COVID and take beds from others who may be in car accidents, have strokes, heart attacks, etc. which is still totally expected and continuing to happen.
Start blaming fat fukcs. They're the problem. They're the problem when it comes to our Healthcare system being overtaxed. Most of the people in the hospital for covid are morbidly obese. Prior to covid, most people in the hospital were morbidly obese. Obesity had surpassed smoking as the leading preventable cause of death.
So if you're serious about anti-vaxxers being disingenuous and "taking beds from others" then I hope you're telling every fat fukc you stand in line with how they're disingenuous when they say people should just worry about their own health.....
.....oh wait, fat fukcs never say that because no one points out how recklessly selfish they are and how much their inability to push themselves away from the table is costing us all.
It's funny how everyone is allowed to be a dick when leaving a building and act all disgusted when there's someone smoking out front of the exit, but telling people they look like shit and really ought to lose some weight and get in shape is "fat shaming."
No shit it is....and it should be everyone's duty to shame fat people.
If anti-vaxxers are reckless because they're skeptical about what's happened in relation to a crazy new virus that's totally fukced what used to be a sense of "normalcy" we had up until a couple years ago.....
.....then what's your view on fat fukcs who've spent the past couple decades recklessly shoving food down their faces and letting themselves go?
Obese are a much bigger drain on our healthcare system than covid is.....you know it and I know it.....
So if we're going down the road where our accepted societal view is that people are responsible for their own health and get to choose how they want to live their life is getting thrown out the window.....if we're going down the road where one person being in the hospital has the potential to be viewed as "taking away a bed that could've been used by someone else," if that's the road you're wanting to go down.....
......then start blaming fat fukcs for being fat because that's by far and away the much bigger burden to our healthcare system than unvaccinated people catching covid.
It's not even close between the two. Hell, if you want to go after smokers and fat fukcs by all means.....go right ahead....they are the obvious masses of "bed takers" to target, who's poor and selfish health and lifestyle choices coincidentally line up with getting fukced by covid.
Personally, I'm not going to go down that road. If someone wants to eat nothing but shit all day long every day while never getting their ass off the couch to where they become morbidly obese....if they want to look like shit, feel like shit, because they ate only shit while not ever doing shit......not my concern. Their choice to live such an unhealthy lifestyle will almost certainly guarantee themselves a life in and out of medical facilities starting at middle age if not younger. They represent a burden to the healthcare system they'll have to lean on heavily starting around the time the same doctor who told them they're obese and need to lose weight every year starts giving them a prostate exam, which is also going to be when they're informed they're pre-diabetic.....they'll lean on our healthcare system heavily until they die around age sixty, or about fifteen years after they last went to Walmart and shopped by propelling themselves around the store using their own two legs instead of a motorized cart. That same "motorized cart" period of their lives will be spent going in and out of hospitals for various obese related health issues.
But yeah.....if we're going to abandon "your health is your concern" and start blaming people for taking up hospital beds.......the logical starting point is people who didn't trust our garbage media and made the mistake of not getting vaccinated.
Sure, why not go after the people who made one mistake that might cause them to wind up in the hospital.......
.....nowhere near the magnitude of the amount of people who will already be there as a result of not giving a fukc....no fukcs given whatsoever....in regards to their own personal health for several decades.
Let's give all those fukcs who chose to not give a shit at all about their health for the majority to entirety of their lives a free pass.
If you want to go down the road of labeling who is responsible for taking up a hospital bed and possibly causing someone else who's more deserving and/or in more need of receiving care?
I'm fine with it. I have no problem with it whatsoever.....
....as long as you start at the top.
If you start by going after those who use our healthcare system the most while taking the least amount of responsibility when it comes to their personal choices and actions that resulted in their healthcare needs.
Unvaccinated people are pretty freaking far down that list, don't you think?
Let's see....
1. Obese
2. Smokers
3. Extreme Elderly
4. Alcoholics
5. Phags......maybe phags should be three? Or maybe even number one?
Do you know how many times phags wind up in the ER every year in our country? It's 10,000+ in regards to shoving shit up their ass and getting it stuck up there.
Seriously, if I was looking to decrease our healthcare system from becoming overtaxed....the first thing I'd do is make it where no treatment would be available for people who shoved stuff up their asses. Anything stuck up someone's ass is their problem.
Boom! Think of how many hours of healthcare I alleviated off our healthcare system.
As long as doctors provide healthcare to all the phags who bite off more than they can chew with their assholes and lodge something up their colon?
Then forgive me for not giving a flying fukc if someone who isn't vaccinated needs a bed.
How many people needing care for any reason weren't able to get a bed due to covid patients? Has there been any cases of that happening?
Want another brilliant way to reduce the demand for our supposedly and suddenly finite healthcare system?
Let old people who should've died a long time ago die.
How many of the hospitalizations from covid were to people so old and gone that they never understood where they were or what they were being treated for?
A lot.
There were a whole bunch of people hospitalized for covid that were so far gone they never knew they had covid...because covid didn't exist at the time that the few remaining bits and pieces of memories cognitively flash before disappearing again.
We have a severely disturbing, abnormal, sick, and unhealthy way of dealing with death in this country.
The same people who shouldn't have been alive in the first place are the same people who used up the vast majority of the healthcare administered to treat covid.
Radical idea here......
Why don't we pull the plug on the centurnarian who's been shittig his pants while blankly staring at the ceiling with drool running down his face for the past five years to make room for anyone the extra beds the anti-vaxxers are "taking" from others?
When you look at how fukced up our healthcare system is, how fukced up it has to be for dudes getting their dicks surgically chopped off and the remainder of their junk attempted to be formed into labia and....a hole to "resemble" a vagina......or how about all the healthcare required for all the opiate addicts who became addicts when they required healthcare....
Of all the fukced up, preventative, selfish shit ways people wind up in a hospital......
.....it's safe to say people who are there after catching a new virus and experiencing severe illness from it are pretty fukcing far down the list of who we need to point the finger at for "taking a bed" and not being deserving of receiving care, don't you think?