kwackkillncrew wrote:what happened to all the monster crappies in red lake then? if they weren't over fished then the walleye must be to blame for eating all their food.
Two things caused them to disappear:
1) they got old and died. Believe it or not, but hunting and fishing isn't the main source of mortality on any healthy wildlife population. Often, the mortality from hunting and fishing is a small....small....small percentage of the overall mortality.
Just like people get old and die.....so does everything else.
You guys seem to have this bizarre notion that dudes dangling a few strings with hooks on the is the main source of mortality on fish.....and that any fish that is caught and released will be in the same body of water to grow old and live on until eternity.....or until some dick decides to catch and keep something that he owns. The nerve of some people!
Don't worry about the fish other people catch....whether it's nets, strings and hooks, dynamite.....don't give a fukc in any way other than being happy for them.
I LOVE seeing people catching, keeping, and cleaning fish. It's awesome.
This fukced up "NIMBY" mentality some of you guys have been instilled with isn't healthy, and it isn't right. Even under the ridiculous notion that sport anglers can "decimate a fishery at will," even then....let's say the other dudes you're mean-mugging at every chance you get....sizing them....trying to gage how badly they're messing up the lake you like to fish.....wondering how many they're bringing home.......
STOP IT!
The point of fishing isn't to catch fish....it's to have a good time. It's a lot easier to have a good time when you mind your own fukcing business and only worry about what you're doing.
We all own the property that is wildlife.....we have an equity share in it the same as if it is a company. Just like a stock certificate is proof of your ownership/equity of property/asset (company).....the same is true for how we own wildlife.
You go cash your shit out when you feel like it's in your best interests, I'll do the same, and how about we don't give a flying fukc about when others feel like cashing out and making the abstract concept of ownership into something tangible by bringing home some fish.
The regs and DNR and the people who follow it and the people who don't.....does not matter. No one has ever taken home a fish you were entitled to by catching before you and killing the fukcer. None of it matters because......
2.) It doesn't matter what fishing pressure there is or who catches and keeps what because like I said, and like you pointed out......the Red Lake Crappies Boom is the perfect example to hopefully help some of you "get it" so thank you very much for the assist.......
The Red Lake Crappies disappeared not due to any management......it could've been a catch and release only crappies lake and there still wouldn't be crappies in it anywhere near like the late 90's into early 2000's.......
Because there weren't any more year classes.
Exactly like I was speculating about for 2022 in East Central MN......there aren't any more crappies because there weren't any made.
If a fish doesn't reproduce then management decisions on something that isn't there doesn't seem like a very practical endeavor, now does it?
Red Lake was never a crappies lake, won't ever be a crappies lake, and you can do every last management rule in the book to "stockpile crappies" that exist there naturally like a fukcing retard thinking if you have more breeders that the population is going to rebound.....hell, get some dork with a research permit to make everything 3' down to 1' an aquatic sanctuary starting the moment the water warms up to 52 degrees......that's a joke.....but what's sad is that is something that plausibly could happen in this state where everything wildlife related is ran by dipshits (DNR).
You can't stockpile fish. You can't make a body of water into something it's not. If it's good for supporting a certain type of fish? Then there you go. Catch the shit out of those fish knowing they're always going to be there......
.....even in the case of Red Lake Walleyes.
The recovery was sped up by stocking, but realize that Red Lake Crappies would've died out on their own......at most, not stocking it twice with a minimal amount of walleye fry (it took less than 300 walleyes being stripped and milked to produce the fry used in both stockings.....to populate the largest inland lake in the state....weird, it's almost as if you don't need shit for "spawning biomass" to create a year class....in the right lake, under the right conditions).
There used to be this incorrect notion/take out there of,
"I wish the DNR wouldn't have stocked Red and left it as a crappies lake....."
Deeeerh!!
Not an option....why?
It's a walleye lake. The temporary fluke of the overhyped "walleye crash" was just that.....a total fluke. The DNR is fukcing retarded.....nothing needed to be done besides giving mother nature a little more time....3-5 years, tops.
The fluke was created by dudes lining the lake with an a labyrinth of nets so tight....I wish I could've done some drugs with a Red Lake member and taken a boat out to see the nets. It's amazing the utterly insane amount of nets and what it looked like....the buoys and errant nets floating....was never documented, but also makes sense since it's Red Lake.......
But that insane amount of nets created the boom by dropping the walleye numbers to where the crappies exploded in a lake where they'd normally get their asses beat into submission and not exist as anything more than a very, very, very small natural population level in comparison to the "Boom" years......like it is now.....like it always has been for eons.
Do you know why the Indians pulled the nets out of Red?
News Flash: It wasn't because of the DNR or "management,"as they grand-standed, praised themselves for, got our dumb media to broadcast it as to all the sheep so it becomes real....
Management didn't stop all the nets.
There not being enough fish to warrant putting a net out stopped the nets.
Indians....Red Lake Indians especially.....are lazy and overall don't give a fukc about anything. What is the most shocking about the Red Lake Walleye Crash is that there was that many Indians who actually gave a fukc about something to not drink, shoot heroin, and put in the effort it takes to get enough shit together in working order, coordinate with others, and put out that many nets.
It's mind-blowing. It's also why no one needs to worry since Indians have seen a bigger decline in people going hunting and fishing than whites have. It's shocking they were able to take out that many walleyes......netting walleyes from Red Lake to where they crashed it honestly might be the most industrious and impressive accomplishment made by any group of natives in the history of this country.
the popular concept mythicalized by Don Perera....the biggest fukcing egghead moron out of a whole lot of them....a dude who's theories included there not being enough spawning males to produce adequate year classes in Mille Lacs.....or how he wasn't sure if the walleye fry they dumped into Red Lake would make it, since it wasn't taken from walleye stock in Red Lake.....he literally thought that it might be possible that walleye fry from the collection areas by Bemidji might not make it because they had different genetics than the walleyes that had "evolved specifically to Red Lake." Not even kidding....
That's how big of a fukcing moron Don Pereira is and he was the previous Chief of Fisheries for a dozen years.....his work heralded by all the dudes working in his own department who "scientifically peer-reviewed" his garbage, gave it all rave reviews, and then jerked him off........
I've read a lot of Don Pereira's work and he's a fukcing moron.....dumber than a box of rocks.....and if ever an opportunity arose for me to go head to head with him on a podcast where we could discuss his work.......I promise you.....guarantee......that I would point out umpteen reasons why all of it is fukcing retarded and the worst examples of "bullshit awful science" that people put stock in.....because hey, even garbage science is still technically science and society has become so fukcing stupid we use science as a buzzword that is synonymous with "fact" and you're some dick fundamentalist crazy person if you dare do anything but put blind faith in the science all these egghead dipshits produce in their computer labs while circle jerking each other.......
Management is pointless because man is hardly a factor in what drives population trends amongst healthy wildlife populations......and even if that weren't true.....for the management to work it'd have to be conceived by people who weren't fukcing retards and knew how to get shit done, as if they were working in the private sector where getting paid to do something means there are results you have to produce......
And all the people in the DNR are government employees of the worst ran state....so they sit behind desks, play on their computers, try to sound smart by regurgitating the same in-house bullshit everyone else is.....probably related to Climate Change affecting something else it absolutely isn't (just a built in excuse to appease the liberal fukcs in this state while never ever having to produce any results)....
And the bullshit they regurgitate to try and sound smart is all insanely **** dumb......saying it's "retarded" is an unfair insult to people with special needs who are generally head and shoulders above anyone "working" for the DNR when it comes to being a productive member of society who has at least a little drive and a small capacity to use common sense......
They sit and talk, have zoom conferences, send emails, and conjecture ad nauseum about the dumbest shit ever ONLY BECAUSE they live inside a moron filled vacuum, totally insulated from anyone like me who would instantly point out using basic logic and reasoning that even they.....the people who claim to be scientists yet have completely abandoned using Scientific Method in favor of degrees and the number of peer reviewed papers (the moron circle-jerk) being what gives their work creditability instead of the work NOT BEING INSANSELY DUMB. These fukcers can't even write a paper that is worth reading......the obvious gaps in their methodologies and gaping holes in basic logic aside.....the shit is all fukcing garbage....complete and utter garbage.....and I'm simply talking about it having the basic values inherent in reading something that is well-thought out, pertinent, supported by seemingly credible sources of evidence/observations.
I'm talking about how these lazy worthless idiot dork fukcs can't write a paper where after I read it I'd go, "C....maybe C+"
And you motherfukcers actually expect them to produce results!? Like tangible....real....actual results that are easily quantifiable when we're out enjoying our property that we own together??? You think their management.....them tinkering with slot sizes and "special regs" (nothing special about regs used fukcing everywhere.....yeah.....real "special" just like they are everywhere else.....maybe skip the gay ass phaggot adjective and just call them "regulations." I'm sure some butt-pirate in the DNR got a promotion and a gold star for thinking up and writing a paper for why regulations should be labeled as "special."
Besides Mother Nature managing Nature......we're on our own.
Have fun, catch fish, and break every regulation possible while not being an idiot to where you face even minor consequences......but break every reg possible just for the sake of knowing they don't matter because they're fukcing dumb, don't do a thing, other than give some dumb liberal fukc a completely worthless job they get a pension for because they work for the shittiest department of the shittiest state government......so.......
Fukc 'Em
And I say that not trying to go out of my way to be a dick.....I say "**** 'Em" because Guess What?
That's what they say about us.......that's the very clear way they've been paid to manage our shit for the use by us for at least fifty years now. They've fukced us all over for a loooooooong time.......
But yeah, their "special regs" that reduced harvest is the reason behind any good lake being good.....and dudes dangling hooks off strings not instantly decimating the population down to nothing. Without the DNR and their "special regs," so-so-so "special" just like Dana Carvey as the Church Lady said.......
That's what makes lakes good........some fukcing morons in a job they don't have to produce results yet can't ever get fired from....came up with while respectfully taking to each other and using proper buzzwords and going to all the state training on common sense stuff like not to call a black coworker a njgger, or be mean to them because apparently that's a thing that happens within state government. Lots of time spent on "training" (read the CO weekly report....apparently every CO is paid to spend half their work hours at Camp Ripley assisting in training new cadets, the like four that go through in a year).
All these fukcers are absolutely worthless. The laziest most worthless morons imaginable. Don't believe me? Everything they work on is public info....read their work reports. If you ever want to feel better about what you're contributing to society?
Read some DNR and other government work reports. What's sad is these dumb fukcs all sing koombaya and think they're doing a bang up job......
......and why wouldn't they think that!
Who is going to tell them they're not? Sure as fukc not anyone inside their same insular vacuum full of morons isolated completely away from reality. It's not like if they do a shitty job and suck a competitor who gets the job done better will push their sorry asses out......a la all the gas stations of my youth getting put down by the greatest gas station chain ever to emerge and fill the same niche that already existed and was full/filled by doing it that much better.
Unfortunately the three letter acronym of that should be the lowest respected brand ever......too bad we didn't see the DNR be like PDQ and get fukcing destroyed by an organization that's ran by competent people who get results......Unfortunately there's no Kwik Trip that's ever going to come along and save us from these lazy dumb fukcs. Nope, we're always going to be stuck filling up at awful, shitty PDQ's for eternity when it comes to the societal niche of wildlife management being filled this phaggot filled, phaggot ran state........